Comments on: My thoughts on The Leadership http://radicalcrossstitch.com/2006/05/31/my-thoughts-on-the-leadership/ Seriously Seditious Stitching Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:55:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: <![CDATA[prayingmantis]]> http://radicalcrossstitch.com/2006/05/31/my-thoughts-on-the-leadership/#comment-692 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:23:14 +0000 http://radicalcrossstitch.com/?p=472#comment-692 I agree with your analysis wholeheartedly. I also think Russel will be more adaptable because his own ideas are more nebulous and changeable. Russel is much more of a traditional politician than Nandor is and will be much less substantial, but noisier and will put more political hours in than Nandor and work better with the other MPs. I do find it a little ironic that Rod had no real sense of work/life balance - yet there he was out there promoting 'quality of life', and Nandor has had some criticism for actually having work/life balance rather than just talking about it. I agree with your analysis wholeheartedly. I also think Russel will be more adaptable because his own ideas are more nebulous and changeable. Russel is much more of a traditional politician than Nandor is and will be much less substantial, but noisier and will put more political hours in than Nandor and work better with the other MPs. I do find it a little ironic that Rod had no real sense of work/life balance - yet there he was out there promoting ‘quality of life’, and Nandor has had some criticism for actually having work/life balance rather than just talking about it.

]]> By: <![CDATA[kakariki]]> http://radicalcrossstitch.com/2006/05/31/my-thoughts-on-the-leadership/#comment-691 Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:02:33 +0000 http://radicalcrossstitch.com/?p=472#comment-691 Wow great discussion. Thanks everyone. Especially the point about the Greens being about more than winning elections. I can't wait until the rest of the world figures that one out! Wow great discussion. Thanks everyone.

Especially the point about the Greens being about more than winning elections. I can’t wait until the rest of the world figures that one out!

]]> By: <![CDATA[nothisrealname]]> http://radicalcrossstitch.com/2006/05/31/my-thoughts-on-the-leadership/#comment-690 Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:45:33 +0000 http://radicalcrossstitch.com/?p=472#comment-690 I didn't get to vote cause I forgot to tell the party which electorate I belonged to, and haven't gone to meetings in years! I'm disappointed with the way things have gone. I disagree that Norman is a harder worker than Nandor, and is uproven in so many regards. They're pretty similar ages actually (I forget which is older) And as for the divide - well there are reactionary elements who can't see the man through the image they've created, and that is their (and ours insomuch as it will affect their choice) loss. Oddly enough I've heard people who I thought would have known better voting against Nandor because of the image problems that they thought he might cause. At the moment the left and the conservative tendencies (I certainly wouldn't use the word factions, even if a few members do hold strong mutually opposed views, within the Green kaupapa) are likely to be able to carry the vote against Nandor . Lets not mince words here, that's what this is... Which is a shame because Nandor cares strongly about social justice issues, very deeply as far as I can tell, as his record on issues like Ngawha prison illustrate. But, it's not all capitalism's fault; there are very real issues that fall outside the left right divide (and that's always been one of the Green's strengths)such as the entrenched racism and patriachal power structures that are much of the reason for the injustice in Aotearoa. Not that Russell doesn't confront these issues, just that his analysis is quite different. I'll support whoever wins, because they're both great people, I just think that Nandor would be the better leader for the _Greens_ (and it's not about winning elections, the Greens have always been so much more than that) I didn’t get to vote cause I forgot to tell the party which electorate I belonged to, and haven’t gone to meetings in years!

I’m disappointed with the way things have gone.

I disagree that Norman is a harder worker than Nandor, and is uproven in so many regards. They’re pretty similar ages actually (I forget which is older) And as for the divide - well there are reactionary elements who can’t see the man through the image they’ve created, and that is their (and ours insomuch as it will affect their choice) loss. Oddly enough I’ve heard people who I thought would have known better voting against Nandor because of the image problems that they thought he might cause.

At the moment the left and the conservative tendencies (I certainly wouldn’t use the word factions, even if a few members do hold strong mutually opposed views, within the Green kaupapa) are likely to be able to carry the vote against Nandor .

Lets not mince words here, that’s what this is… Which is a shame because Nandor cares strongly about social justice issues, very deeply as far as I can tell, as his record on issues like Ngawha prison illustrate. But, it’s not all capitalism’s fault; there are very real issues that fall outside the left right divide (and that’s always been one of the Green’s strengths)such as the entrenched racism and patriachal power structures that are much of the reason for the injustice in Aotearoa. Not that Russell doesn’t confront these issues, just that his analysis is quite different.

I’ll support whoever wins, because they’re both great people, I just think that Nandor would be the better leader for the _Greens_ (and it’s not about winning elections, the Greens have always been so much more than that)

]]> By: <![CDATA[Dave the Rave]]> http://radicalcrossstitch.com/2006/05/31/my-thoughts-on-the-leadership/#comment-689 Fri, 02 Jun 2006 01:07:37 +0000 http://radicalcrossstitch.com/?p=472#comment-689 Thanks for your analysis and comments. I don't agree that Nandor would be a good leader - a great MP with a good sense of vision - yes and we need to have him in Parliament. But he is not the right leader for the Greens. I'm not certain whether he has the work-rate needed for the position. Also he is also a somewhat divisive figure in the party, and therefore will not be the unifying force that we need. The Greens need a new face, and a younger one. Russel, though untried, has all the qualities and abilities. And it might even be a good thing to have a leader from outside the Party, but i hope he is listed at or near the top at the next election. Thanks for your analysis and comments. I don’t agree that Nandor would be a good leader - a great MP with a good sense of vision - yes and we need to have him in Parliament. But he is not the right leader for the Greens. I’m not certain whether he has the work-rate needed for the position. Also he is also a somewhat divisive figure in the party, and therefore will not be the unifying force that we need.

The Greens need a new face, and a younger one. Russel, though untried, has all the qualities and abilities. And it might even be a good thing to have a leader from outside the Party, but i hope he is listed at or near the top at the next election.

]]> By: <![CDATA[Homer Jay]]> http://radicalcrossstitch.com/2006/05/31/my-thoughts-on-the-leadership/#comment-688 Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:17:59 +0000 http://radicalcrossstitch.com/?p=472#comment-688 I would have to agree! Nandor has the vision to lead the party, but Russel will win, which I think is a shame because Nandor would be the best to co-lead the Greens into the future. I would have to agree! Nandor has the vision to lead the party, but Russel will win, which I think is a shame because Nandor would be the best to co-lead the Greens into the future.

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